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October 29, 2019
S7E4: Vivianne Castillo
Vivianne Castillo is senior design researcher at Salesforce.

Before getting into design research, Castillo earned degrees in counseling and theology:
I’m used to thinking holistically about people. And I in many ways naively just thought that was the norm. And so when I made a career switch into this industry and realizing that while like we have a very truncated understanding of empathy, and in some instances blurring the line between pity and empathy, I started to question a little bit about, OK what do we mean by being human centered?
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Jessica Helfand, a founding editor of Design Observer, is an award-winning graphic designer and writer and a former contributing editor and columnist for Print, Communications Arts and Eye magazines. A member of the Alliance Graphique Internationale and a recent laureate of the Art Director’s Hall of Fame, Helfand received her B.A. and her M.F.A. from Yale University where she has taught since 1994.
Ellen McGirt is an author, podcaster, speaker, community builder, and award-winning business journalist. She is the editor-in-chief of Design Observer, a media company that has maintained the same clear vision for more than two decades: to expand the definition of design in service of a better world. Ellen established the inclusive leadership beat at Fortune in 2016 with raceAhead, an award-winning newsletter on race, culture, and business. The Fortune, Time, Money, and Fast Company alumna has published over twenty magazine cover stories throughout her twenty-year career, exploring the people and ideas changing business for good. Ask her about fly fishing if you get the chance.